This is post rant Equi speaking, sorry for this but I'm not backing down, this needs to be said so it's out there.

I'mma keep it real wit'chu chief, FUCK all that. I'm gonna address these in order so I don't go into a jumbled rant with a lot of fucks thrown in, though that last part will probably still happen.

"Andy driving Kenny out to early: It should have happened, the Black Dirt is fine, if a little OP in my opinion, but it's fine for what it is." "The Black Dirt being very OP: Look, I'm down for a threat. However, Kenny became so untouchable it was boring. Not to mention this leads my main problem."

Fuck Andy and his plot armor ass, legit, him and Jason both. Kenny has gotten ZERO wins all thread. EVERYTHING HE DID DIDN'T COUNT OR MEAN ANYTHING. Come to the meeting with assassins in wait because he was down to kill Andy and figured Andy would try to kill him too? Andy's car gets blown up and he magically flies over to people who help him recover in no time, other than sparking the underground war this accomplished nothing. Andy had no long term consequences from being in an exploding car, he didn't even swerve and only get clipped by it or anything, he just straight up jumped out of a car in 3 seconds, got sent flying by an explosion, and after a doctor poked him a couple of times he was good. I have been holding them BACK because there's no real explanation for why Jason or Andy aren't dead yet with how many times they could've just been shot in the head while they were yucking it up out in the open. Kenny stayed hidden for a reason, because just like when Brett tried to assassinate Andy, you have falconettie dudes teleport into the exact areas they are to show Andy is just better. You might say "Oh but Andy DID get kidnapped, so it worked!" No, Skyla got the win, Brett and his guys had to fake their deaths because after I used the logical conclusion of "You can't really try and ambush them like that and not actually shoot, they'll just shoot you as soon as you pop up since they already had their guns out." you just had more dudes magically appear, Andy shoot a bullet through buildings at them while standing out in the open, everything possible to not let them get a single win ever. I'm absolutely baffled you didn't just have more goons teleport behind Skyla when she tried to threaten the kid and just magic her weapons off her and knock her out, you did just about everything else there.

And that's just the fucking START OF IT, isn't that fun? Not to mention the other minor incidents, or the later massive glaring ones. Let's go ahead and do that though. Kenny and Rose devise a very well thought out assassination plan against Falconettie and his capos. Rose, who we have already established they blindly trust for no good reason, begins to explain to them how Kenny thinks because she knows him and can help them understand how to beat them, Falconettie magically knows she's a traitor anyway and EVERYONE IN THE FUCKING ROOM KNOWS that bullets are gonna come flying out of one specific direction right as it happens and they all get behind cover after it already happens, not a single person getting injured or killed except Rose who was scripted to get shot during it to show she's not a traitor. Nobody cares about this factor at all, Rose is branded a traitor and dudes with sniper rifles magically appear everywhere to murder everyone, I have to steal some of your characters' plot armor for Brett to have him flex his assassin muscles and outshoot your random goons who are suddenly super professionals whenever it's against me, including Brett saying "fuck this" and just C4ing the building, you having a sniper somehow snipe a C4 into not working, and an argument results in me just having to nix that idea because it's clear you refuse to have your characters suffer any consequences at any point no matter how clever or creative we try to be. AND THEN FALCONETTIE JUST LETS JASON KILL HIM SO FUCK ME I GUESS GOTTA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR KENNY TO GET THAT WIN, GIVE IT TO JASON QUICK

And speaking of the later on ones, was it two or three times you tried to have Maria and/or Sapphire just magically crack the entire code of Skyla's disappearance, linking people with zero visible connection to the black dirt to the black dirt, finding tunnels after I specified the destruction/hiding of most of them in the event of the martial law, and even just having your characters constantly refer to Brett's unique group members as Black Dirt constantly despite, again, zero connection visible? Andy coming up with the most bullshit of bullshit reasonings instantly for why Set's deception of Skyla doesn't work? "HuRRPFFFF WHY DIDN'T SHE CHANGE NUMBER" "So you could call me if you needed to, and you'd know it was me when I called?" "GOTTA BE FAKE MMHMHMHM FAKE SKYLA FAKE SKYLA SHE'S KIDNAPPED I KNEW IT" Boy, sure it fun trying to write intrigue whenever you're involved. That'll lead well into that whole "Naru and Equi show" thing later, trust me. But first, lets talk about how excited I was for around where we stopped the first time. A culmination of cooperation between everyone, where Kenny FINALLY gets to use his personal expertise and resources to get a SINGLE FUCKING WIN for ONCE IN THIS GOD-FORSAKEN THREAD. Itsumi provides the codes to Jonathan who has been tasked with befriending her by Brett's own personal side work aside from Kenny (BECAUSE HIS GROUP ISNT FUCKING TIED WITH THE BLACK DIRT PROPEERLTYFFFFFFFF) for his own personal plans for Skyla (This'll play into #6 and why you really didn't need to say you didn't pay attention to my side of stuff, because this really told it all) to disable Carpinello's ace up his sleeve, the coup de grâce that would solidify his win against everyone, all but completely ruined by their cooperation, and at which point his men raiding the facility would take control of the situation and allow Tyler free reign to do what he needed to do to his father. Kenny plays it smart, working with everyone to solidify his own control and snuff out the biggest problem of the moment, to him and everyone else. What do I get instead? jason continually ruining it by trying to do his own thing, Naru being VERY merciful and having Jason shot in a way that doesn't guarantee his death by raw stupidity trying to stand up, gloat, and then fist fight(? ? ? ?) a dude holding a gun standing at a distance looking at them. Andy sneaking off with that stupid fucking "WE JUST GO UNDER THE FLOOR AND UNDER THE TABLE THEN CRAWL BACK UP WITH GUNS GUYZZZZ ITS AN INCREDIBLE PLAN" idea that was established to not work, but we'll get to later where you went ahead and just said Andy did it anyway, because Andy and his plot armor you know. Anyway, all that happens, and while this goes on and it becomes harder and harder to justify him not just killing everyone in the room because one already tried to attack him and another snuck off, I'm just trying to work this toward a satisfying end so I can get one fucking win for Kenny then kill off all my characters and quit the thread, because that's how much I hate how that thread treated me. It legit felt like punishment to have to post on that thread, and the one time I was happy, trying my best to enjoy it and have one thing go in my way for once? Thread dies. Then we go ahead and just skip all that, cut out everything involving Kenny getting a win because fuck me I guess, Tyler unceremoniously kills Carpinello and the whole thing feels like dogshit, I try to justify some reason for Kenny to not just kill Jason then and there, then you bring it back to Andy and make andy the focus by having him just go ahead and having some stuff snuck in by the tunnels anyway despite us establishing carpinello had people in those tunnels watching for that stuff, so Andy can burn down the building and be the big winner here. Then I roll it back to "Oh hey I already have assasins PRESENT IN AND AROUND THE BUILDING WELL ESTABLISHED THROUGH MULTIPLE POSTS IN-THREAD, and they attempt to assassinate Andy. Does Andy die? No. Does any face any REAL consequence? Of course not. Tyler wins, Andy wins, Kenny gets a consolation prize that means absolutely nothing because we didn't even get a moment of peace, not even a "Hey good job Kenny you really pulled through" or some shit other than Tyler who is practically contractually obligated to or Kenny would kill him because Naru doesn't hyper plot armor her characters and understands stupid decisions beget serious consequences in a proper story. So yeah, I don't want to hear a single 'nother thing EVER AGAIN about the Black dirt being OP. They are an international assassin organization as I've been establishing, Kenny being at its head, and they have been allowed to do less than Falconettie random jobbers. 

Also, this all happened purely because you auto-hit Kenny with Jason at the start of the thread for zero reason because you wanted to make Jason a big OP anime hero in a realistic thread, especially with that stupid fucking "don't talk, shoot" thing you posted, when you later did the exact thing many, many times in much more severe fashion. Lets not act like you haven't treated my characters like shit since the beginning of the thread. 255 pages.


Now, with that aside, lets continue. Violet's death, ehh. Killing characters always hurts when they're well written, but if we just undo it then does any of our writing to that degree even matter anymore? I'm tired of things having consequences in threads, us not liking the consequences, then redoing entire chunks of the thread for it. Same with Aska's death. Don't do an on-screen death with far-reaching consequences for the story if you're gonna regret it and wanna do it all over again later. Characters that die then un-die are garbage 95% of the time because they ruin their own emotional death scene, prove me wrong.

Jason's multiple deaths/resurrections: See my point above. Jason should've just died, fuck him, I'm so sick of his existence and how OP he is for no fucking reason. Random-ass biker taking on assassin organizations, gang wars, can't just shoot him in the head and kill him while he's putzing around in the open like I should, no, then I'm the bad guy for trying to ruin everyone's fun in the thread. Glad everyone else gets to have fun with their characters I guess.

The naru and equi show: I HATE YOUR FUCKING CHARACTERS DUUUUUDE, I HATE THEM. Straight up. Every time I try to do anything involving them, I get meta gamed to fuck, auto-hit, ignored, or one-upped. Why would I have EVER wanted to keep interacting with your characters when Every. Single. Interaction. was just cock and ball torture in verbal form? Every time I involved you in something, something bad had to happen against me just to solidify I wasn't allowed to have fun in that thread. Not to mention if you look back at many other threads at that time, you and naru went on huge posting sprees without me, and I let you because I knew sometimes I just didn't have anything to do in that thread. Hell, sometimes I just didn't want to be in that thread. Okay, a lot of times. I just stuck through it because I didn't want to ruin the fun for you guys, and I hate myself anyway so it didn't matter, I use my anger to motivate me to work and Facina gave me a great deal of motivation to get things done. If your characters weren't so consistently awful to mine maybe I would've interacted with them more. That's the reason you quit WoD, isn't it? My characters ruining the fun for yours? I endured 255 pages of that here, being baited repeatedly into thinking I'd get SOMETHING only to get shafted once more and once more. I'm still salty about Aska auto-killing those dudes of Kenny's at the hospital, but Aska does paperwork as the leader of the Yakuza so it makes sense she can out-draw and kill two trained assassins ready and waiting to shoot anything that pulls a gun on them and I am forced once more to resist the urge to just kill her instantly like she deserved to be, especially moments later with Brett after confirming they must've been killed. Oh yeah, that reminds me of another win Kenny didn't get. Aska meta-finds all of Kenny's hideouts and shit and plants bombs on them out of nowhere, I am not allowed to do anything about it this win goes entirely to Skyla or I lose every character, wages war on the black dirt and betrays them and everything, then she kills herself too because Kenny can't be allowed to get that win either.

Now for the retcons. I'll try and be brief with most of these, I realize this is rather long already.

#1 No, see above.

#2 No, see above

#3 K

#4 Their goal, once again for all the times across the thread, chat, everything, that I have ever had to say this: The goal of the black dirt is not to be a criminal organization, it is to get rid of criminal organizations, reduce crime to normal levels in major crime areas, then disappear somewhere else to do it again.

#5 For the first half I don't even give a shit anymore, for the second part with brett and skyla, no and see below.

#6 First, fuck Andy. Second, boiling it all down to "Skyla dumps Andy for Brett" ignores the entire premise of what Brett is doing. He's manipulating her, using these little tidbits of "Andy betrayed you", "he and the little girl worked together to manipulate you, it's subtle but doesn't it make sense?" and "Maybe I do enjoy your company, I might want to work with you in the future." to play on their past unsteady alliances and consistent senses of morality, at least on their surfaces. Brett is manipulating her into joining him just like he has everyone else on his team, as is becoming more clear the more we learn the backstories of each of his crew members, and he'll only really fall for her later once he accepts he's never going to have a chance with Kenny, at which point he needs to contend with what hes done against her, even if she doesn't know it, and even if she DOES reciprocate those feelings. There's a lot more to it than a love triangle and murderous ex, and fuck Andy anyway. He fell for Rose in milliseconds, same with Skyla, yet he's being played as incredibly loyal and focused on only her when it makes more sense that he's a floozy that easily falls in love, because that's definitely how he looks, and that's how Brett is selling it.

#7 Fuck both of them

#8 fuck Sapphire, she's another one that keeps flexing how she's secretly just the black dirt but better in-thread, with you giving her military weapons and shit and being like "hurrhurr don't shoot me I have snipers outside" despite the bulletproof glass that Jason and Kim can break with their fists using anime power and shit so who gives a fuck really, but fuck Sapphire

#9 I honestly don't remember fuck all about Kelly because she's just Kim 2.0 (without the ability to heal 2 broken legs in 2 weeks, until you need her regeneration factor to kick in I guess)

#10 No

#11 Imagine feeling included or wanted in Facina, couldn't be me

I’ve gotta be honest, most of your points are fairly…you centered, Dillon. These are issues you’ve perceived in the thread, ones that you would like changed, without considering our own opinions about this. I won’t take as harsh a stance as Equi, but I understand and stand by a lot of his points. He got the short end of the stick every time. I didn’t because I tried to stick with fairly middle ground characters. Tyler the coffee shop owner with a dark past. Violet the graffiti artist that never wanted any trouble. Skyla the second, never destined to lead. Itsumi the little sister, brave, brash, but independent and clinging to the shadows. No one I played wanted the limelight, and I believe that’s why I had the best time in Facina. My characters didn’t and don’t have grand goals, and it allowed me the least amount of stress. That being said, it also afforded me the full picture of each side of this.

Jason is OP, insanely so. He should’ve died 1000 times over, and he succeeded in a lot of place a one-man band shouldn’t. He gets away with a ton, and I have to agree with Equi, I greatly disliked interacting with Jason. He was so hot headed, quick to anger, and always needing the upper hand. I felt like there was no ground to be gained, so I didn’t even try. I think a lot of our frustrations manifested IN THREAD for us, and it turned our characters into vindictive monters of themselves. We were all out to get each other and didn’t want to see others succeed. I stepped back from that because I am who I am and that isn’t my vibe. Because I’m getting off track, I’m going to respond to both you and equi in order with my own views.

Concerning Black Dirt and their perceived OP-ness, I think this is incorrect, and to provide some context for Equi’s point, he always established what he set up prior in order to prove success. At times, you in turn would just magically have the counter without any prior set up, forcing equi to step down or he would be harshing your vibe. The incidents that come to mind for me were the attempted manipulation of social media and the media, where suddenly there was video evidence and things were being broadcasted out of nowhere, without any explanation. This thread was meant to be fairly realistic, but oftentimes the plot line became convoluted and difficult to follow with the goal being to show off and go a certain way instead of making it believable.

Kenny hasn’t gotten any wins, and I can confirm this. I can distinctly recall some conversations between Equi and I about how frustrated he was at times, but didn’t want to ruin the thread, and let it happen. I am guilty of this too, especially with my surprise start-up of the thread where Tyler killed Carpinello outright and thwarting Equi’s plan, and I tried my best to make up for it so far.

To Equi’s point about plot armor, it’s very much prevalent with Jason and Andy. At times they seem untouchable, at times, the only way we’ve gotten to them is through their relationships. Jason’s biggest threats were always his own brother and then Aska, but after that, it petered into nothing. Even Carpinello, mastermind of the masterminds, couldn’t touch Jason, which is frustrating.

I’ve been pondering Violet’s death all day, and in the end, I think it was meant to happen. It made Tyler a more rounded character and added depth to his personality he didn’t have before.

No thank you on Falconettie, I think that reduces Andy’s potential to grow into these big shoes he was left to fill. There are great things you can do with Andy, including humbling him. As he is now, he comes off as just magically perfect at everything, and doesn’t struggle. His biggest issue is Skyla being missing, but I think he can be so much more than that. Adding Falconettie back into this just…diminishes him.

As for the Naru and Equi show, Dillon, you know I interacted with you. Tyler’s relationship with Kim is very important to him, and Tyler was the only character able to interact with most of yours. And it’s true, you don’t read other people’s interactions, and it’s a detriment to the thread. You miss a lot of key things when you don’t read, and I think you would have a better grasp of situations and interactions if you did. I don’t think the turn system needed to be brought up, because we generally stick to it now, but Equi definitely got the raw end of stuff up until about 75 pages from the end.

1: I think Aska’s death emboldens both Skyla and Jason and creates a lot of intrigue. It would lessen Skyla’s anger significantly. Also it seems a lot like you’re bringing her back to be Jason’s girlfriend which, ouch for Kim, why write her out, out of nowhere? She’s the only reason Tyler tolerates Jason. Kinda reducing her to just being a part of Jason’s biker gang.

Also, no to the Yakuza disappearing? No thank you. It’s never been set to become this big thing, but their targets on Skyla and Itsumi were incredibly important to the story.

2: Violet is staying dead.

3: was never changing.

4: See Equi’s point

5: Skyla and Brett are a part of their own team. Kim is up to you but it feels like she might fall to the wayside in this.

6: See Equi’s point, but yeah, Skyla/Brett is the slowest of slow burns

7: I stan Kim and Kim only so, I vote for her happiness, whatever that is you decide

8: Sapphire is Sapphire, she kinda just showed up in the thread, shoe-horned in there and apparently has always been there? It was sudden but it is what it is.

9: Eh, doesn’t affect me.

10: Don’t see how this is possible in any realm.

11: Was going to do this anyways.

I sure as HELL don't want to start over, because then everything I had to put up with in that thread was meaningless. Carpinello was meant to be the payoff for it all, and I got denied that, why would I want to go through a reboot of the thread where either the same thing happens or I'm just handed little crumbs to keep me satisfied? I want to play this out and make it a good thread, because I love the world as it's set up, but fuck man it's so frustrating to have characters walk all over yours because you can't kill them no matter how they act, and I refuse to do the same thing in return, otherwise I'd just have Kenny and his FROM CHILDHOOD ASSASSIN TRAINING beat ass because why not? The fact that you wanna just reboot it entirely and not address issues isn't giving me any hope either here.

I think the Andy idea is great, I'm impartial to Sapphire, I think with Jason, firstly, a spinal injury needs time to heal, and also, he needs some kind of check if he's going to be making a vigilante biker gang, someone to keep him from deciding what's right and wrong because there's a lot of gray area. As for Kelly, I don't know her much, so I can't comment on her, she doesn't have much standing with my stuff. I can't comment on 5 bc it doesn't involve me. It wasn't that you made shit characters, Dillon, it's just the interactions were hard to take.

I also have the Yakuza assassins plot line getting active. In case you didn't pick up on it, Emika is a scout/assassin sent to find Itsumi and Skyla. Tyler is developing a drug habit bc he sees Violet when he's hallucinating, and Itsumi is still on the quest to find her sister.

I think change can happen, we just have to have open conversation and listen to each other.

I think most of those are fine, but jason and kenny making up (jason has already tried once) just isn't gonna happen.

And if I'm being honest, we're all adults here (that's why I threw a huge bitch fit over words on a screen) so I wasnt going to sugar coat my feelings over facina and all the stuff you said, such as the black dirt being OP and shit. I want my feelings openly known before we start this up again, because I refuse to sit around and keep putting up with it.

So, I guess I just agree with naru, really.

Well, to be honest, I am giving up. Because I've been an ass in this thread and Equi, you had every right to yell at me. I was so busy with what I wanted, I didn't think about what the thread needed, and after it ended...I was filled with a lot of regret.

I wanted Jason to be a hero, where he went face to face with his brother in a duel and he ended him. The thread needed a less selfish story but I didn't budge and instead I made what was supposed to be this cool badass into...a Gary Stu...and kind of an ass hat.

When I felt I wasn't getting my way, I decided to shake things up in a huge way. Killing Asuka made sense at the time as a way to get what I want. The Thread however, didn't need that. I know that you guys found something in hindsight to improve on...but... I never did.

The reason why we butted heads so much in this thread was because my ego got in the way of what was best for the Thread. Instead of doing things that would benefit everyone, I just looked out for my characters.

And that's kind of dickish.

Now I look at Jason and I feel disgusted. He represents my ego, my petty behavior, my way or the highway stupid mentality I used to have with threads. He's a failure to me as a writer. Because instead of writing a cool biker badass who beats his Mafia brother and saves the town he loves. He represents how much my ego got in the way of true progress.

However, that doesn't mean I don't have plans for other characters. Sapphire going legit, actually is something that's tieing into Kelly's story.

Sapphire wants Kelly to join her in this whole going legit thing since Sapphire feels she's in a position where she can afford to give crime up.

Kelly is in the same position...but she doesn't want to. It's why she's going to kill her old Biker leader...and why she's going to form a Biker Gang of her own. She likes the criminality, it's in her blood. The Holt's established Facina even if their name is sort of just city history. Kelly's addicted to the Thrill and the Challenge to see if she can outsmart the law...and now this league of super vigilante's.

Okay so Naru and I were talking on Messanger. She thought to fix my issues with Jason is to have Skyla kill him. While I am normally against character death, i'm okay if it serves the plot well.

While I still think Asuka's didn't, Jason's does.

It opens up way more possibilites for other characters and allows me to fully retire Jason.

There are two ways we can go aobut this where we are currently in the thread.

During the current fire fight, Skyla walks in and kills Jason while he's distracted leading to a lot of fun stuff that I talked with Naru about.

The other is for it to happen later, and if we go that route...I think I'm going to have to give Jason one last win. Now...here me out actually. I actually think this could be a good way to get Skyla after Jason. The Black Dirt views Jason as a top puppet for Sapphire, and Skyla would be more than happy to kill him.

They realzied the kickign down the door and shoot up, even just his property, isn't going to work. So...they use stealth...cunning...and that's what takes him out. The Black Dirt sending a smart agent to finally kill Jason off.

due to work reasons I can't elaborate on other ideas I have. However, please keep them in mind

Okay, then Naru why don't you start up Facina again.